Play In Steering

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BroncoJeff

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My Bronco has alot of play in the Steering. I have front and rear sway bars and have checked everything I can think of that would be affecting my steering. A possible solution arose and I want to see if it may be accurate.

Could the Power Steering gear box have anything to do with the amount of play in the Steering?

 

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Yup, what kind of play are you talking about? Like, when setting still and turning the wheel or when you are driving?

Good luck,

:)>-

 
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Yup, what kind of play are you talking about? Like, when setting still and turning the wheel or when you are driving?
Good luck,

:)>-

Both really, when go down the road and can move the steering wheel from side to side about six inches each without it barely trying to turn me. Its real loose when it should be tight.

 

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your steering box can have quite a bit to do with play in the steering, but so can't the steering joint. Check them both. The steering joint is the U-joint looking thingie on the steering shaft between the firewall & steering box. Damn, I'm not sure when Ford stopped using Rag-joints, but if you'rs has one then that's the *first* thing I'd look at because they cause no end of steering-play problems. A replacement Borgeson joint will probably do a lot to fix the problem.

 

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your steering box can have quite a bit to do with play in the steering,
My '90 Bronco has an adjustable steering box. I don't know if they all do. I don't have my book here, but as I recall there are two adjustments on it, and it requires a torque wrench to check it and adjust it.

OTOH, I recently had mine to my friendly front end specialist. I told him that I was good enough a mechanic to swap parts out, but not good enoguh to know which ones needed changing. I explained that the truck was too old to put a lot of money into it, and that I wanted to do some work on it with my son, as a father son bonding experience. I asked him to tell me what was wrong, that my son and I would change out the parts, and then bring it back to him for the alignment. He agreed, and had a story to tell.

He checked my front end and said that everthing was tight as it should be, except for my lower right ball joint. In fact the other three ball joints were too tight, and that was my problem, so before I tell you how he diagnosed that... the story.

There was a gentleman who owned a trucking company about 25 miles away,. He had a Bronco that he had a little difficulty keeping straight, especially after he hit a bump or suddenly changed lanes. He had his Bronc to a couple of shops and they both told him everything was tight as it should be. Well one night he went to dinner and had a couple of drinks. On the way home he got pulled over for wandering in his lane. He narrowly failed the breathalizer test and lost his license for 6 months. His truck ended up in Roy's shop. After checking it out, Roy told him that his ball joints are too tight!

He replaced them, and after the guy got his license back... everthing was fine.

How he diagnosed it.

He pulled my bronc up to, but not on the rack.

He had me turn the wheel back and forth while he looked at the front end.

(everything looked fine re: tie rod ends etc)

I guess he saw something from underneath, because he told me what the problem was and this is how he showed me.

He had me eyeball... line up the front fender with something on the wall.

THen he turned the wheel a little bit back and forth.

The body started to move, before the tires started to turn.

He said the ball joints were too tight.

He says that my wandering is due to overcompensating due to the tight ball joints. One has to turn too hard to get the wheels to move.

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He jacked the front end up, and without the engine running, had me grab hold of the tire, and turn it in and out. I had to use a fair amount of force. He asked me if I could tell that it was too hard to do. I explained that I had not done that before to any other vehicle so I had nothing to compare it to. I'll take his word for it.

So... with both tires an inch or two off the ground, he put a prybar under the tire and lifted it up and down an inch or two to look for movement in the ball joints. He did this on each side. My bottom right had movement, and needs to be replaced (in the sping time) It is not my daily ride. Certainly if you do one, you do the other, and since they are all tight, I have to do both sides.

Installation of ball joints.

As I recall... The manual says that when installing ball joints, one must first install the lower joint, and torque it to some number, let's just say 40 ft lbs, THEN install the upper, which can get torqued all the way to let's say 90 ft lbs, then you go back and torque the lower to whatever it should be.. let's say 90 ft lbs. Otherwise the ball joints will BIND.

I hope that others find this informational.

BTW he reccommended that I get only MOOG or Splicer replacement parts.

joe

 

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My '90 Bronco has an adjustable steering box. I don't know if they all do. I don't have my book here, but as I recall there are two adjustments on it, and it requires a torque wrench to check it and adjust it.
The 80-96 Broncos all have the same box and it's not adjustable. While there IS an adjustment ***** & locknut on the top of the box this is used to set the backlash for the sector shaft during initial assembly. "adjusting" this ***** will usually do one of two things 1) ruin the sector shaft and/or 2) make the steering erratic & dangerous. Messing around with that scew can ruin the box and create a dangerous truck. I would *strongly* advise against doing anything with it. You cannot adjust a worn steering box, the only thing you can do is rebuild or replace it. There are numerous threads about this in the archives.

 

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Yes that is correct, do not adjust that set *****. It creates a dangerous situation. Mine had a horrible amount of play, after changing the tie rod end, drag link and ball joints I still had the play. I read as many threads that I could find on the subject and more often than not I read that people recommend adjusting the backlash *****. I did this and all it did was hamper the trucks ability to return to center, you know when you turn and let go of the wheel it will straighten itself out? well after adjusting the ***** it did not. Not I have a new set of problems, not only do I have excessive play I have "sticky" steering. That sucked. That ***** is evil...

 

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