cruise control not workin on 95 bronco

[ants95bronco]

So I have a 95 bronco that when I bought the cruise worked in. I did a motor swap from a 351 to 302 I have rebuilt and beefed up. Every since the swap my cruise hasnt works so two years later (today) I bought a new clockspring, switch w/harness and I wired on a new servo connector and installed them. I still do not have a horn and or cruise. Im not sure where to go from here. I do have a abs wheel sensor that is missing on the driver side but I'm not sure if that affects cruise/horn and no fuses are blown. Any help would be appreciated. Oh and I replace the third brake bulbs.

 

[miesk5]

yo ANTS,

The abs wheel sensor will not affect Cruise or Horn

Was the Cruise Ctrl RECALL performed by Ford?

Recall for 93-96 Bronco, 94-02 F-150, 97-02 Expedition & 98-02 Lincoln Navigators; NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 07V336000 & 05V017000; Recall Date JAN 27, 2005 & Update; (search for 07V336000 & 05V017000 in "Safety Recalls)"... Report Date : November 28, 2010 at 09:53 AM NHTSA Campaign ID number : 07V336000 Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s): FORD / BRONCO 1993 FORD / CROWN VICTORIA 1992-1998 FORD / E-150 1997-2002 FORD / E-250 1997-2002 FORD / E-350 1997-2002 FORD / E150 1992-1993 2003 FORD / E250 1992-1993 2003 FORD / E350 1992-1993 2003 FORD / E450 2003 FORD / EXPLORER 1999-2001 FORD / EXPLORER SPORT 2001-2002 FORD / EXPLORER SPORT TRAC 2001-2002 FORD / F-150 1993 FORD / F-150 LIGHTNING 2003-2004 FORD / F-250 1993 FORD / F-350 1993 FORD / F-450 1993 FORD / F-53 1995-1997 FORD / F53 1998-2002 FORD / RANGER 1998-2002 FORD / TAURUS SHO 1993-1995 LINCOLN / MARK VIII 1993-1998 LINCOLN / TOWN CAR 1992-1998 MERCURY / CAPRI 1994 MERCURY / GRAND MARQUIS 1992-1998 MERCURY / MOUNTAINEER 1999-2001 Manufacturer: FORD MOTOR COMPANY Mfr's Report Date: AUG 02, 2007 NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 07V336000 EA05005 NHTSA Action Number: EA05005 Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL Potential Number of Units Affected: 3600000 Summary: ON CERTAIN PICKUP TRUCKS, PASSENGER VEHICLES, SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, AND MOTOR HOMES CHASSIS, THE SPEED CONTROL DEACTIVATION SWITCH MAY, UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, LEAK INTERNALLY AND THEN OVERHEAT, SMOKE, OR BURN. Consequence: THIS COULD RESULT IN AN UNDERHOOD FIRE. Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSTALL A FUSED WIRING HARNESS. OWNERS OF THE PASSENGER CARS INCLUDED IN THIS CAMPAIGN WILL BE INSTRUCTED TO RETURN THEIR VEHICLES TO THEIR DEALERS TO HAVE THE SPEED CONTROL DEACTIVATION SWITCH DISCONNECTED AS AN INTERIM REPAIR. AS SOON AS REPAIR PARTS ARE AVAILABLE (EXPECTED OCTOBER 2007), OWNERS WILL BE INSTRUCTED TO RETURN TO THE DEALERS FOR INSTALLATION OF A FUSED WIRING HARNESS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON AUGUST 13, 2007, AND MAILING COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 19, 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT FORD AT 1-888-222-2751. Notes: FORD RECALL NO. 05S28. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION;S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV
Source: by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration  nhtsa.dot.gov   Recall Problem; "...I have a 95 Bronco and back in feb.-11- 2010 my rig's master cylinder's Speed Control Deactivation Switch connection caught fire, this is what the recall "speed control system" is and the recall is still on going. Just go to www.fordowner.com to find out about recalls. After contacting Fordowner.com and filing a claim they passed it on to the claims group @ FORD to be reviewed. Once the group reviewed my claim then someone got in touch with me, I have to mail copys of my title, bill of sale, ect. and copy's of photos of the damage to her. She said that the dealer dose not have parts for vehicles 10 years and older so I have to get my local shop to replace the master cylinder and the wires that were effected by the break fluid and their labor cast, she will cut me/the shop a check and then after the work is done then the dealer will look it over to make sure the truck and the work is up-to-date. All this to fix something that at most costs $200. ***..."
Source: by Belafox

Recall Update; Field Service Action 05S28 Speed Control System Modification Supplement #7 for 94-96 Bronco, 94-02 F-150/250 (Under 8500 GVW), 97- 02 Expedition, 98-02 Navigator, 02 Blackwood
Source: by Ford by Steve http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/505128_1

95 Bronco-F-Series Workshop Manual by Ford

https://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/20/SSJMAIN.HTM

see

Section 10-03: Speed Control System, Electronic
DIAGNOSIS AND TESTING
Symptom Chart — Speed Control Diagnostics
https://www.motorcraftservice.com/renderers/reload_frames.asp?leftside=/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/23/SSJSA30L.HTM&rightside=/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/24/SSJSA30R.HTM&contenttype=WORKSHOP&workunit=SSJ&market=US&language=EN&viewer=IE

• Speed Control Inoperative

• Blown fuse.
• Circuitry.
• Stoplight switch.
• Burnt stop lamp bulb.
• Speed control actuator switch assembly.
• Vehicle speed sensor.
• Speed control servo.

• GO to A1 .
• https://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/20/SSJA3004.HTM#ppt103001-01

 
also, see Electrical Schematics
https://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/20/SSJA3002.HTM
 
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Section 13-06: Horns

https://www.motorcraftservice.com/renderers/reload_frames.asp?leftside=/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/24/SSJSD60L.HTM&rightside=/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/24/SSJSD60R.HTM&contenttype=WORKSHOP&workunit=SSJ&market=US&language=EN&viewer=IE
 

• Horn System Inoperative

• Open in horn circuit or damaged component.

• REFER to Pinpoint Test B. The Clock Spring ckt is addressed; see  B9 CHECK CIRCUIT 848 (DG/O) FOR OPENDisconnect speed control connector.

• Connect ohmmeter between clockspring connector Pin 2 and speed control servo connector Pin 6.

• Check for continuity.

https://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WSSJ/~MUS~LEN/20/SSJD6006.HTM#pptd602

My new PC is acting up, so I have to clear files & History, etc and re-start.

Since you already installed a new clock spring, you do know the safety procedures; be careful.  I think the wiring diagrams aslo show the horn & Cruise/clock spring connectors pins.

 

[ants95bronco]

No ford didnt perform the recall but I did buy the replacement part direct from dealer in boise

 

[ants95bronco]

Do you happen ti know if cruise is programmed into the computer? I rebuilt a bronco then swapped everything into this truck because I liked the eb bronco better. And The donor truck didnt have cruise.

 

[ants95bronco]

I tested the circuits and it failed a10 and a11 on swrvo connector and I have no voltage at the horn harness so I performed test b3 and I have voltage at the constant pin on the relay but nowhere else with horn pressed. I noticed there's five pin on the relay but in dont have a wire for the center pin in the box. Should there be a wire there or is it irrelevant? And what is circuit 460?

 

[miesk5]

yo,

Ford forgot to label the horn relay pin depiction & legend;

There are only 4 wires @ relay; 87a is not used.

 

Pin Number Circuit Circuit Function 30 460 (Y/LB) Power (Hot at All Times) 85 1 (DB) Horn Switch Feed 86 460 (Y/LB) Power (Hot at All Times) 87 6 (Y/LG) Horn Feed 87A — Not Used


You can swap horn relay with  

Relay 4 Relay Trailer Tow or Dual Rear Wheel Running Lamps OR Relay 5 Relay Fog Lamps (Lightning), ABS Pump Motor (Bronco) See if horns honks, if so, then buy a new Bosch relay at any parts store.

 

 

[miesk5]

yo,

Where did you test?  re, "...it failed a10 and a11 on swrvo connector..."

Is this where you tested?

 

Pin Number Circuit Circuit Function 1 — Not Used 2 — Not Used 3 679 (GY/BK) Vehicle Speed Input 4 306 (T/LB) Brake Input 5 151 (LB/BK) Command Signal 6 848 (DG/O) Command Return 7 298 (P/O) Vehicle Power 8 — Not Used 9 307 (BK/Y) Brake Pressure Input 10 901 (R/LB) Ground

 

[ants95bronco]

The a10 anda11 are the steps it failed sorry.

 

[ants95bronco]

Im not the best with electrical nut if im reading this right both pin 30 and 86 should have 12v constant? If so pin30 is present but not pin 86. And the fuse isnt blown and has power to it. So I need to tra e Ryan he wire from pin 86 to the battery and inspect it

 

[miesk5]

• yo,
• ok

In A10 & A11- tests failed so you went to A11 and most likely could be open circuit in switch ground

See CC wiring diagram at http://arrc.ebscohost.com/articles/uuid_p5_wiring_diagram_161787890295305700461451313140168211270.pdf?car_uuid=1106109

Possible Ground G108 Black- it also serves PSOM, head lights, turn lights PCM, ABS Module, etc.

G108 RH fender apron, at voltage regulator

or

G203 Black/Lt Blu serves 4WD Shift Module, Air Bag Monitor, etc.

G203 RH rear side of radiator support

 

[miesk5]

yo,  My copy & paste did not work so well;

change In A10 & A11- tests failed so you went to A11 and most likely could be open circuit in switch ground

to

Open circuit or fuse in horn relay feed or open circuit in switch ground

 

[ants95bronco]

That refers to the ground wires that come off the main harness and bolt to the sides of the fenders right? Those are all ok..

 

[ants95bronco]

Pin Number Circuit Circuit Function 30 460 (Y/LB)Power (Hot at All Times) 85 1 (DB) Horn Switch Feed 86 460 (Y/LB) Power (Hot at All Times) 87 6 (Y/LG) Horn Feed 87A — Not Used

Accordinung to this none of these pins are grounded right? I did a continuity test o them and when I touched pin 87 and the wire thats grounded to the body in the corner of the drivers fender and cab it the multi meter beeps

 

[ants95bronco]

Ok I have it half way figured out.. I removed the horn relay and jumped pin 30(the one I have constant too) to pin 87 ans verified that the horn works. I then jumped it to pin 86 (which doesnt have any power hut is supposed too) and replaced the relay. The horn button now works so I went for a test drive and cruise control now works.. so now the question is is why am I not getting powerr to pin 86? What would cause this?

 

[miesk5]

yo,

pin 87 will show continuity to ground through horn that is grounded by its mounting.

So that is good!

pin 85 1 (DB) Horn Switch Feed energizes the horn relay and closes contacts at pins 30 & 87 when horn switch is closed (honk horn)

follow Relay Control ckt from fuse in Eng fuse block to horn relay pin 86 through coil

85 and 86 control the main relay (provides power to coil that closes contacts for load circuit -30-87
 

85 goes to clock spring horn ckt and onto ground

Am tired now; up early; will try to be back WED.

 

[miesk5]

yo,

While I was replying I see you asked;

"so now the question is is why am I not getting powerr to pin 86? What would cause this?  

pull horn relay and check socket for corrosion        

 

[ants95bronco]

Alright ill check.. is there any other possible causes

 

[ants95bronco]

The pin isnt corroded in the pin or under the dist box

 

[miesk5]

yo,

B3 CHECK HORN RELAY SUPPLY

• Remove horn relay from the engine compartment fuse box.

• Using a test light, check for voltage in circuit 460 (Y/LB) at relay pins 30 and 86.

• Is voltage present?

Yes
 

GO to B5 .

No
 


GO to B4 .

 

B4 CHECK CIRCUIT 460 (Y/LB) FOR OPEN

• Remove fuse C from the engine compartment fuse box.

• Using Rotunda Digital Volt-Ohmmeter 014-00407 or equivalent, check Circuit 460 (Y/LB) for continuity between relay Pins 30 and 86 and fuse C output cavity.

• Is continuity present?

Yes
 

SERVICE fuse C power supply from battery for open. RETEST system.

No

SERVICE Circuit 460 (Y/LB) for open. RETEST system
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