460 questions

[Broncobill78]

I'm getting ready to start on another 460 swap and wondered if anyone here had additional info. The last two that I did I used Lincoln engines, First one I picked up a Brand-X swap kit that was just engine mounts & an oil pan. I used the L&L fenderwell headers and redrilled the 351M accessory mounts. After screwing around for a couple months trying to get my belts to run straight I caved in & bought the L&L accessory brackets and was done with it. Second time around I just bought the whole L&L kit.

This time I'm looking at a Ford 460 from a large cube van (don't know what year but it looks like an 80's model). I seem to remember that the first time I did this the oil pan I got had a van part #. What I'm hoping is that this one I spotted will have a rear sump pan that I can use and being a Ford van engine rather than something out of a car I'm hoping that the front accessories will work as-is without needing the L&L brackets. If it'll work then all I need from L&L will be the motor mounts & headers which saves me a lot compared to the whole kit.

Anyone know if this'll work or are the F-truck 460's the only ones that will bolt right in with nothing more than motor mounts & exhaust manifolds ??

 

[Justshootme84]

One of our local fellow broncomaniacs put a 460 in his 79 from a church van E-350, but it was an 88/89 with EFI. Those models work fine, I think only the older car motors with a front sump oil pan will be a problem when swapping into the bronco. there seems to be at least half a dozen different acc bracket set-ups thru the years, even on 80-up motors. But it is possible to convert the Fi back over to a carb, like I did with my 88 F-350 460. This dude's church van motor was converted to propane for awhile, then back to carb. JSM84

 

[Broncobill78]

Well, that's the beauty of this one (for me at least), it's a carb'd engine to begin with. That's why I'm guessing the van is an early/mid year 80's. I hadn't seen it in the yard before *because* it has a nice running carb'd 460. The owner didn't want to put it out with the general population just to see it scavenged for parts so he's been keeping it tucked away & pointed it out to me when I asked. He's asking $400 for it complete. The only downside that I'm seeing is that it's a nice running engine because it's a rebuild, which of course means someone already probably took the bore out to .020". I've been looking around the past few weeks and the only off-the shelf pistons I'm finding are .020" and .080" now of course I can still go .030"(assuming it cleans up with just .010"), .040" or .060" but any one of those sizes will be custom meaning an additional $30 or so per piston. I'd rather not take it out to .080" just to save a couple hundred bucks. I'm just hoping the front dress will work without needing the L&L stuff.

 

[Yardape]

One plus with the van accessories is it should have a sag PS pump. If you have the complete donor and keep all the accessories it should work just fine.

 

[BLADE262US]

Ebay is a good place to get rebuild parts I just bought a full set of silvolite pistons and hastings moly rings for my 429 for $50 shipped brand new . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[smittybronco]

as far as the motor mounts i have never had to buy new ones for the 460 swap.. i have used the 351m/400 mounts for all my 460 swaps which is around about 5 now...u can reuse the stock manifolds and have someone redo ur exhaust runing it above ur cross member around ur driveshaft...

 

[Broncobill78]

Cool, good to know. Chances are though that I'll still go with the L&L mounts. The first time I pulled this swap I used stock 460 mounts with L&L headers and had problems with the collectors banging against the body mounts. It got so bad I had to notch the passenger side body mount to have enough clearance for the collector. I think the L&L mounts locate the engine a bit lower down to provide clearance for the fenderwell headers. I considered using the stock exhaust manifolds temporarily until I got the headers but both of my previous swaps used Lincoln engines and the manifolds were all wrong. The exit was in the middle & pointed straight down like a block-hugger header. It would have required some custom bent pipes to bolt up to the remains of the stock exhaust on the Bronco. I found a set of truck manifolds and those would have worked because the exit was in the rear and angled down & back instead of straight down but by then I had the cash for the headers. I haven't picked this 460 up yet so I honestly don't know just what the van manifolds look like but I'd really prefer to run a set of fenderwell headers with this one also.

Right now what I'm most concerned with is the front accessories. I'm not getting the alternator with the engine but I *can* have the bracket and I'm getting the Saginaw PS pump & it's bracket. I'm hoping the van setup will work with the Bronco/F-truck engine compartment meaning I won't need to get the brackets from L&L and that will save me some cash. I'm also hoping the van oil pan will work too.

 

[smittybronco]

if u ever need to get maifolds or front accessories ive used LTD stuff and it works great...