Limited Slips & 4.11s

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My bronco has 3.50 gears and opend diffs front and rear. I want to put some 4.11s in it and limited slips, i found some trac locs on JBG but the gear sets dont match, the 9" has 4.11 ratio and the 44 has 4.09 ratio. Will it be fine to run them since the only off .02 or is that to much?

Also should i get trac locs, or a detroit for the 9" and power loc in the 44? im just runnin 33s but i still want it be strong.

 

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My bronco has 3.50 gears and opend diffs front and rear. I want to put some 4.11s in it and limited slips, i found some trac locs on JBG but the gear sets dont match, the 9" has 4.11 ratio and the 44 has 4.09 ratio. Will it be fine to run them since the only off .02 or is that to much?
Also should i get trac locs, or a detroit for the 9" and power loc in the 44? im just runnin 33s but i still want it be strong.
Try Randy's Ring and Pinion http://www.ringpinion.com

Good luck,

:)>-

 

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No, The 0.02 won't make enough of a difference to matter but if you do any 4WD driving on dry pavement I like to keep them within .01 because I've run that combo a few times and know there aren't any problems with it. Most Bronco's come from the factory with 3.55 rears & 3.54 fronts. Also, most folks don't shift into 4x4 until they're on the trail or the roads get slippery so when it's actually engaged the wheels have the opportunity to slip if the drivetrain wants to bind. If you look around there *are* companies that offer 4.11's for the D44. As Fred mentioned Randy's carries them as do a few other vendors, for some reason not everybody carries them (to be honest I think the vendors who DO carry them have figured out that even though the very small differences don't matter the fact is that people want them and rather than constantly explaining it they decided to simply cut the gears and sell people what they want. That's probably got something to do with why 4.11's for the D44 are about $75 more than 4.10/4.09's :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> ) As a good general rule of thumb if the ratios are within 1% of each other they'll work just fine on the road with no side-effects (such as binding up or breaking U-joints) and off-road (where the tires can slip occasionally) there can be up to a 2% difference. If you do the math there's only about a 1/2% difference between 4.11's and 4.09's.

As far the the differentials go. The Detroit locker is a fine unit but it's a little harsh for daily driving. The Bronco is such a short wheelbase vehicle that the differential doesn't unlock as frequently as it will on something longer like a pickup. Practically speaking this means that you usually wind up dragging one of the tires thru every turn so you not only use up your tires faster but you set up a really funky wear pattern. When I ran a Locker I was burning thru a set of 36" Ground Hawgs every 18 months and that got to be expensive real quick. A Detroit TruTrac would probably be a better choice. It's a very strong limited slip but instead of the clutch packs that starnard limited slips use (clutch packs require the addition of a friction modified to the gear oil, it has to be added every couple of years and even keeping up on the maintenance doesn't prevent the clutch packs from wearing out every 10-12 yrs) it uses a set of helical gears. No reason you can't run one in both axles.

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/ProductsServ...etrac/index.htm

 
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Thanks to both of you i think ill look at randys and see if they have the 4.11s because thats what the 9" would have from the factory. Also i think im gonna go with a detroit truetrac for the 9" and power loc for the 44. They work pretty much the same with out clutch packs and ive heard lots of good things about it, Plus its about 200 bucks cheaper so i think itll do fine for the front. :)>-

 
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You'll need to ck your carrier to see which set of 4.11's you'll need if you go that route. They're $50-$75 more than the 4.09's.

http://www.ringpinion.com/PartsList.aspx?S...ub-Differential

http://nationaldrivetrain.com/shopsite_sc/...ml/dana_44.html

You can go a number of different ways up front. You've got more choices because of the hubs, the differential only sees & transmits power when the transfer case is engaged and the hubs are locked so even a truck with 200K will most likely have less than 10K on the front differential. Some guys like to run a locker up front for those very reasons but if you do you've got to be careful to *only* use 4WD on surfaces that will allow the tires to slip otherwise the axle tries to steer the truck & nobody likes it when that happens.

 
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i found a some 4.11s for the 44 at randys one doesnt say any thing as far as the carrier goes and the other says its a thick ring and pinion for use with 3.73 and down carriers. The first on is 175 and the thick one is 210.

 
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i found a some 4.11s for the 44 at randys one doesnt say any thing as far as the carrier goes and the other says its a thick ring and pinion for use with 3.73 and down carriers. The first on is 175 and the thick one is 210.
No problem, apparently you missed it the first time around: Look here: http://www.ringpinion.com/PartsList.aspx?S...ub-Differential

The first 4.11 gear #YG D44-411 for $175.46 is listed as a standard ring & pinion gear, the *second* choice, the one right underneath it, is #YG D44-411T for $209.59 is listed as being a "thick" ring & pinion gear suitable for carriers of 3.73 & lower gears. Take a second look look & ck your carrier before ordering, just an idea.

 

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