ha ha...starting problem too

[CSM_Bronco]

i think it may be the fuel pump...that or the fuel filter...but i ran it dry the other day...turns out the gas gauge went on it...i dumped in 5 gallons, turned it over a bunch, and still nothing. i spray ether in the TB it will fire. but only til out of the ether. the fuel rail has nothing. no pressure what so ever. so before i go replacing shit that don't need to be. i'd like some suggestions. if the fuel pump, how hard would it be. i don't hear anyhting when i turn on the power, so i think thats what it may be. now to add on to this problem. it got like this while trail riding on the way back i threw in more gas to make it. ran out while washing it off in a river. yes a river. the military police don't like mud. thats why. that and its illegal on Ft. Sill anyways. but they can't make it to where me and my buddies go. anyways. i was sitting in the river watching it get all cleaned off. when suddenly she died on me. no biggy. normally. well. i have nearly no exhaust, and only one Cat. the water was sucked right up the exhaust. got it towed back to my barracks and started working with it. next day, couple cranks and she started right up. lots of water poured out onto the ground. lots. i know i need to change the oil. and all that good stuff. been there done that. but the next day as i was about to take it to the shop to change the oil and etc. she wouldn't start. not one bit. we knocked on the tank to check for gas. thats when i realized the gauge is broke. nearly bone dry. hardly a splash. tossed in another 5 gallons today. and nothing. do i just need to charge the battery enough to keep turning it over or what. remember i don't hear the fuel pump engaging.

need help

 

[Seabronc]

Have you tried jumping the start relay with a ***** driver? If so, and you get nothing then yes your battery may be dead or your ground connection may need cleaning and reattachment.

Good luck,

>-

 

[Roadkill]

I don't know what year your Bronco is so it may have one or two fuel pumps. The earlier fuel injected models had two (one in the tank and one on the left frame rail) and starting in 1989? (not sure about the year) they only have the one in the tank. If your pump(s) is not running, the first thing to check is the switch that shuts off the pump in the event of an accident (on my 96, it is located behind the kick panel by the passenger's foot) if that is good, find out if you have power to the pump(s) itself. If there is power, the pump is bad. If no power you have to figure out why. (could be fuse, relay, broken wire, etc.) Repeatedly allowing the tank to run empty, like you have been doing, is ******* the pump because the fuel that surrounds it helps to disapate heat build-up while it is running and the resistance of the fuel keeps the pump from "overspeeding". That doen't nesesarily mean that your pump has gone bad, I'm just throwing that out there for your future benifit.

Now I'm going to jump up on my soap-box and preach a little, so don't be offended by what I'm about to say. [-(

If you are illegaly wheeling in training areas on Ft. Sill, PLEASE STOP!

My club (when I say "my", I mean I am a member, not the owner or president), has been working very hard to get the Ft. Hood training areas that were shut off for wheeling about 7 years ago re-opened. People who disregard regulations and go out there anyway only make it harder for us to convince senior leaders that we will act responsibly if we get what we want. If there are similar groups working at Ft. Sill, then you are undermining their hard work with your activities. Your assumption that the Miltiary Police can't go where you go is false, military training areas ARE patroled by game wardens who, like Militay Police are part of the Provost Marshal's Office with the same poweres to write tickets or apprehend offenders. If you keep going out there, you can and eventually will get caught. We catch them all the time at Ft. Hood. It is even easier when they brag about it in an open forum. I don't know what the penalty is at Ft. Sill but at Ft. Hood they are slapped with a $250 fine and the Chain of Command is notified. The "Military Police", as an organization do not "dislike mud" as you stated, we are duty bound to enforce military regulations and the law. It's nothing personal, when I see an offense, I take action. It's the same thing as when any good NCO sees something wrong and makes a corection on the spot. (hopefully, you will learn about that in the future as you earn your way up throught the ranks).

O.K. I'm off my soapbox now! As I stated earlier, don't take offense to my words. They are meant to help you. >- I suggest you get involved with a local 4X4 club. They will know where to go and enjoy the sport LEGALY. A quick google seach turn up this club near you that has even wheeled legaly on Ft. Sill in the past. There are probably other clubs, as well. You just need to look around.

One last thing:

As of about 30 minutes ago, the Ft. Sill Provost Marshal's Office is aware that there is illegal wheeling going on in their training areas. (if they didn't already know)

 

[madmax]

look on the firewall near the brake pedal theres a little push button with a couple wires coming out of it thats your emergency **** switch for the fuel pump, i had to figure that out the hard way. its supposed to **** the flow of fuel after a really bad collision. you have to push the button down just like resetting a UPS box for a computer to reset it.

EDIT:

After re reading your post id now bet good money you somhow tripped that thing, if you cant find it ill snap some pics of mine to help you locate it

 

[CSM_Bronco]

thanks for the info guys. my bronco is an 89 Eddie. when i jump it with another truck, i get the juice need to turn it over. its not the battery, 2 months old only. i spray ether down the TB and she fires right up for a sec. i checked the fuel **** switch and it is pushed down. i already knew about that...shoulda stated it...that just leaves me with two things it could be. fuel pump, or fuel filter. a really bad fuel filter. i'm leaning towards the pump right now. now if i go and change the pump. what is the best way to go about doing that. fastest. and how much is the average price on a fuel pump? like i said on my original post...the fuel rail has no pressure. that and the switch is good unless faulty. if there is anything else it could possibly be......please let me know. thanx for the info.

 

[madmax]

thanks for the info guys. my bronco is an 89 Eddie. when i jump it with another truck, i get the juice need to turn it over. its not the battery, 2 months old only. i spray ether down the TB and she fires right up for a sec. i checked the fuel **** switch and it is pushed down. i already knew about that...shoulda stated it...that just leaves me with two things it could be. fuel pump, or fuel filter. a really bad fuel filter. i'm leaning towards the pump right now. now if i go and change the pump. what is the best way to go about doing that. fastest. and how much is the average price on a fuel pump? like i said on my original post...the fuel rail has no pressure. that and the switch is good unless faulty. if there is anything else it could possibly be......please let me know. thanx for the info.

take the fuel filter off and run the line into a gas can and turn the key to run (not cranking) a few times, if your pump has failed you wont get fuel coming out, if you get fuel then your filter is clogged. There is also the possibility of an electrical problem causing the pump not to run. the **** switch could be broken (not likeley) or the computer could be borked somehow, but I doubt that would effect the pump. Most likely the pump itself is toast.

Also be careful with that ether, don't do like my dad did trying to help me. He sprayed it right in the plastic air intake and the box holding the filter detonated sending pieces of plastic over 40 feet, fortunately he wasen't hurt.

 

[Roadkill]

The only way to get to your in-tank pump is to drop the fuel tank or cut an access hole in the bed of the truck. That's a lot of work and the pump assembly itself costs $200+. Before you invest all that work and loot, make sure it actually is the pump that's at fault by checking for voltage at the pump. If you've got power there, then your pump is bad. If not, you have to find out why there is no power. Could be a fuse, relay, or broken wire.

 

[CSM_Bronco]

thanks i'll try that after work tomorrow. i was spraying the ether straight into the TB. i plan on using some sea foam after i get it running, and change the oil. if anybody decides to use it...slowly pour it into the carb, or Tb. let it **** it in and shut off engine for about ten to fifteen min. or you can use the main manifold vacuum line. make sure your exhaust is WELL ventilated. when it says that the fumes will be extreme for a short time. it really means it. don't use in a crowded area. or for that matter anywhere that someone can get the assumption of your truck being on fire. it produces very thick and strong fumes. use with caution. i cannot say this enough...pour it in in proportions. not too much.

anyways thanks for the info, and if anybody uses sea foam for their first time. read the can, find out some more about what you have to do. i will say this about it. it works really good.

 

[swampthing]

i'd suggest you jump the fuel pump and run wires from the battery first to see if it kicks on..if so your problem is most likely the fuel pump relays..they cost around 15-20 a piece and are much easier to replace then a fuel pump