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suprakilla1425

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Someone plz help...i have 2 10's in my bronco...now they worked for a little while and suddenly stopped...well they started working again and stopped again. Now i have a red light on my amp...read the book on the woofers and it says it's grounding out. Can someone plz tell me where to ground these damn things (possibly on the drivers side) Also are broncos grounded positive (from the battery)...(dad had asked me that and didn't quite understand what he ment since i thought it was always the negitive cable that was ground)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions

Davis

 

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No. I've never heard of an amp that grounds positive. Your amp should have a 12v+, a ground (also sometimes called 12-), a 12v+ switched(that usually comes from the deck), and the low voltage audio line ins.

Usually, if your amp isn't grounded, than nothing should happen. Not even a red light. If it's getting a partial ground, this could be happening.

Your frame should be grounded (ie, connected to the 12v- on the battery), and typically you can just run a ground line to a metal ***** that goes into the frame(or use an existing *****). Make sure it's an unpainted ****** and preferably into an unpainted section of the frame, or else the paint will insulate the wire.(you can scrape off the paint where the ***** goes in with a little wire brush to ensure a good connecion and to make sure there's no rust on the ***** or frame) If for some reason, that's not working, maybe the frame isn't grounded for some reason. Try running a test line directly to your battery -. If it still doesn't work, and you're sure your test line is connected properly, then it's either your 12v+, or switched lines, and those should be checked.

What I suspect is really happening, though, is that the red light means that your speaker lines (from the amp to the speakers) are shorting out somewhere. Check these. Make sure they are not shoring out on each other, or shorting out on the frame, or anything. Also, try having them plugged in one at a time, and see if the problem is related to a specific one.

 
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well...i just ran a line right the the - terminal and still nothing...but i did noitce that when it was giggled around...the red light seemed to kinda flicker almost as if it wanted to go green and turn on...i'm gonna check out the speakers nxt...(crosses fingers)

 

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When your amp is "grounding out" that means that your positive wire and negative wire are touching together somewhere. If you don't have proper teminal ends on your wires a the amp they can do this. Also, if youre speaker wires are touching (positive to negative) in any way the same thing will happen. If the green light turns red this is generally what it means. Where do you have your amp located at? When I had the stuff in my Bronco I was running 4 guage wire and grounded it to the bolt that holds down the rear seat in the middle back. Also, make sure your wire's are "spec'd" to your amp's output (I.E. if your amp is 800 watts then make sure you have the proper guage wire to feed it to the amp like 8 guage or so). Hope this helped some?

 

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the speakers have nothing to do with the amp, trace the wires and check for ground, also check to make sure the fuse is still intact.

what kind of amp is this? i will ask a friend that is a car audio installer for more info

 
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The amp has no way of knowing if the 12 volt lines are shorted out. When this happens, the current jumps from the 12+ to the 12-(ground) and bypasses the amp. In this case, the amp would simply receive partial, or no power. It would just not have enough current to operate properly. An amp pushes power to the speakers it drives and this power is intended to operate in a circuit with resistance (the speaker, measured in ohms). When the speaker lines cross, however, this can be very bad for the amp, as it's not designed to run in a no resistance set up. Most amps have a grounding protection to shut itself off when this happens.

 

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Try checking your wires, all of them. Your positive wire is touching the frame or some other spot that is a ground. The wire could have small nick in it. tape it up your amp will work then. I do speak from personal experiance I have two 12's of my own with a 1600 sony extreme amp. this happen to me to.

 

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the speakers have nothing to do with the amp, trace the wires and check for ground, also check to make sure the fuse is still intact.what kind of amp is this? i will ask a friend that is a car audio installer for more info
Not sure where you've gotten your information at but you should hook up an amp and then tough the speaker wires together and let me know what you get. I didn't say what I said because I've read it, I've done SEVERAL installs at both a professional shop and on the side. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but I don't speak about something unless I've "been there, done that" type o' thing. Catch the drift?

Anyways, have you figured out what's going on with it. When the red light comes on it's in "protection" mode basically keeping the amp from blowing and being useless.

 

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Not sure where you've gotten your information at but you should hook up an amp and then tough the speaker wires together and let me know what you get. I didn't say what I said because I've read it, I've done SEVERAL installs at both a professional shop and on the side. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but I don't speak about something unless I've "been there, done that" type o' thing. Catch the drift?
Anyways, have you figured out what's going on with it. When the red light comes on it's in "protection" mode basically keeping the amp from blowing and being useless.
I have done probably about 26 installs, from mulitple amp systems to stock systems, catch my drift ;) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

the posters thread is subwoofer question, notice from what he is typing, its an AMP question

the subwoofer is irrelevant if there is no power or a short going to the amp

anyhow what you need to do is recheck all of the wiring

 
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Sorry for not getting back sooner...I shall check the ground and the power to see if they are touching...just another question. If both wires are covered with the lining and they over lap say under my seat...would that be the cause of the problem.

 
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I checked the wires...there is no bare wires touching anywhere, and the ground wire isn't even crossing the power wire. I have it grounded to one of the bolts for the cap...could that be the problem...the only reason i did that was because the wire is so short and i couldn't get a bolt off for the rear seats (suckers are in there pretty damn good)....i'll try again and see if i can get one loose but i kinda doubt i will.

 

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is the surface that you have it grounded to painted?

if so it should be sanded to bare metal

 

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the 3 tens i have in the back of my bronco are grounded from the amp to the rear bench seat where the latch is that holds ot from tilting forward. their should be 2 or 3 bolts that run into the floor. they are around 7/8 or 15/16 size. loosen on of those and put your wire under that and retighten it. i have used this the whole time i have had my subwoofers and it makes an excellent ground source.

 

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Does your ground wire go all the way to the battery? If so That right there could be your problem. You need to grind a small area of paint off (like 1 half inch circle) some were within 18 inches of your amp (the longer the ground wire the less efficiant your amp will be) . Take your ground wire crimp a good end on it ,***** it in the middle of the area that you removed the paint from.then take a dab of clear silicone to seal the area up.If this is already the way you have it then check the wire from your engine to your fire wall(its usually a flat braided silver cable) make sure its connected.

Also it could be that inside your sub box one of the speaker wires could have come loose and be touching the other ones. Or even a faulty rca wire between your amp and your head unit.

 

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I have done probably about 26 installs, from mulitple amp systems to stock systems, catch my drift ;) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />
the posters thread is subwoofer question, notice from what he is typing, its an AMP question

the subwoofer is irrelevant if there is no power or a short going to the amp

anyhow what you need to do is recheck all of the wiring
Okay, one more time I'll try this. Turn one of your 26 installs on and take the wires out of the terminal of the back of the speaker box. Touch them together and hold them there and see what happens. Also, those wires go inside the speaker box and connect to the speakers (Just incase you thought they stopped at the box ;) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> ). Inside, the same thing can happen. Go ahead and give it a shot and get back with me on that.

I do second the recheck ALL the wiring. Also, if you're running two dual voice coil speakers make sure you don't have them dropped to one ohm unless the amp is a class D mono amp. If they're single voice coils then forget that part.

 

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bidi, speaker wires will have no effect on his amp not working, I do not know how remedial I must make it for you to grasp, maybe its because you prefer to throw stupid ass snide remarks in every post you make instead of dealing with the posters issue [-X

if you are talking about crossing neg with positive it will create a different a draw on the amp , but it will not create no sound

are you talking about the cheap boxes that have built in amps? if so you need to realize that true audiophile systems do not use such a thing. you are telling me to take my speaker wires out of my amp and touch them together, and may i ask why? if there is no power going to them, what do you expect to happen, why dont you grab a roll of speaker wire and touch the ends together, because it will give you the same result, notta damn thing

lets not thread jack this anymore for the original poster that needs help

if you feel the need to tell us all how much you know do so in a PM to me

 

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I think he's merely tying to raise the thought that a short in between the amp and the speakers is likely the cause of this issue.

To get back on topic: If the amp isn't grounded, nothing will happen. Electricity requires a complete circuit to operate. If a circuit isn't grounded, then the device sees the same thing as no power. No warning light. Nothing. The problem isn't with the ground cable, it's within the amps circuit; ie, the wires to the speakers.

Also, Bidi's point that the Ohms could have dropped below what the amp is rated at is a valid one. Supra: have you rewired your amp recently? If so, are the subs run in parallel or series? Running two subs in parallel could drop the ohms(resistance) to below what the amp can handle and the amp would think that it's shorting out.

If you haven't done anything to change your setup, check all of the wires between the amp and the speakers to make sure none of them are crossed, or grounding out. (make sure you check inside the box, too)

 

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I've had that same problem with the amp not working and everything was hooked up correctly. what you should do is make sure your speakers or just one of them aren't blown. because that will kick the amp into a fail safe mode and will NOT work.. Try disconnecting one of the speakers at a time and check it that way.. I found out one of mine were blown and once I unplugged that specific speaker, the amp kicked on... So I would check that.

 
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i think the amp is blown or something...i took the case off and it smelled like ozone or something...(like it fried) i think i'm gonna take it back and say hey this damn thing quit working ***. maybe i'll get a new one for free. The only reason i don't think a speaker is blown is because they really havn't been used alot and certainly not used hard. I don't know...i'd like to know why it was (prewired) parallel and not in series...according to my father (which eh) it may be the reason there not hitting as hard as we anticipated...also i tried to get those damn seat bolts loose...holy **** those suckers are in there for good...unless i get an inpact gun...hmmm anyway thanx for all the input

 

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