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Glad to have found this site.

I'm in my first Bronco and it's also my first 4x4.

My ride is an '86 Bronco, 5.0, AOD, 6" SuperLift, 35" Maxxis Buckshots, Not stock wheels (don't know what they are), Pioneer sound.

I've had it a week and I love it. I've cut work 2 times to go out and play in it.

This is not my first Ford. I also have:

1979 F-250 SingleCab, 400, 4spd manual, Rockwell 5.17 rear, 2wd. was s'posed to be a donor engine, but I like the truck for screwing around in.

1979 F-250 SuperCab, 460, C-6, 2wd, Edelbrock intake and 4bbl. Needs some minor work, so it's put up in the barn.

1979 F-350 CrewCab, 351M, C-6, Dualie 2wd, all stock except for Flatbed and fuel cell.

1991 Cougar. 3.8L. $200 car I bought of a ******. Currently has blown head gaskets and is in the barn.

2 antique Ford farm tractors, a 2000 and a 7000.

Anyway. So far, I've manged to read a lot here and plan to do a lot more of that in the coming weeks. This being my first 4X4, I have a bit to learn due to my wanting to NOT destroy it.

Currently, I have no photos of anything I own. But that'll change in short order.

Thanks for having me.

 

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Dont skip work to go wheelin, your gonna need all the cash you can get to fix parts

 

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welcome to the zone, i would have to concur with yardape, unless that bronc has all new parts, you will be replacing something either because it broke or just for the **** of it within a month.

 

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not saying the bronc break alot, they are old and old things break. but you kind find cheaper parts than ford.

 
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I wont say too much here, but this time of year I can sometimes cut work and still get paid for it. I work as a LawnNazi (lawnmower mechanic) for a particular nationwide company. When winter comes, we don't have much to do. They send us from Service out to the retail stores to do whatever they need us to do. They do this so we wont find another job and not come back when Spring rolls around. Anyway, at the retail stores, they don't keep tabs on us and we dont have to punch a clock. Due to this, we can take really long lunches and cut out early and such, all the while still getting paid. Yes, it's a little bit under handed, but since the store managers know that we do this, I don't really see anything wrong with it. Besides, if they don't have anything to do, I'm not just going to sit there. We only get about 3 months of this stuff, then we spend the rest of the year working until all hours and not getting to see the family and stuff. So, when I cut work, pay doesnt take a hit. haha. I'm sure it wont last too much longer as Spring is right around the corner.

My Bronc. Everything looks pretty good under it. I know looks can be wrong though. The lift and everything is real solid, I can't see anything wrong there. The steering is all good. I need to add a stabilizer though. The engine tends to lope a little when it's in park, but clears right up once you put it in gear. The engine itself seems pretty solid. Previous owner says it was rebuilt about 20k ago. I think he just said that though, it doesnt look like it's ever been seriously gone through from outward apperances. To be on the safe side though, I'm going to pull a 351M out of a donor I picked up for $100 and start working on it. It runs, but I'm going to do some stuff to it as it is bone stock. The donor is a '81 F-150 with a C-6. I'm going to have that trans redone. The engine work on the 351M, I plan to do myself. I'm not a truck mechanic too much, so it will be my first big project and since the 302 in the Bronco runs good now, I should have plenty of time to get it done. I've given myself a year to have it ready to be put in.

I'm going to write a quick novel here, if you hate long posts, sorry.

I got this truck because I had nothing else that's street legal or running to drive. I had a '96 Cougar. That was my dream car. I hate cars with a passion. I do mean HATE. I've never liked cars. I bought the '91 Coug. from the ****** with the intention to sell it after I repl. all the balljoints and such. A broken balljoint was what was wrong with it. Anyway, I got it going and was driving it to work and back and got to like the way it handled. That was in '03. In late 04 I bought the F250 SuperCab because I needed a truck that could pull extreme loads out on the farm. Then I decided one day that I hated my job and just didnt go anymore. I took a job with the company I'm with now over in Austin Texas. Driving that HUGE 250 around Austin traffic sucked. I would drive 6hrs back to Shreveport, La every weekend and test drive Cougars. The '91 Cougar was down at that point and I couldnt see spending anymore money on $200 car that still needed other things to be really good. I drove well over 100 Cougars/T-birds in 6 weekends and found the '96. It had pretty high milage on it, but was really nice and ran perfect. I bought it and took it back to Austin. Then I got married. Wife was having issues getting a good paying job in Austin. So we moved back to Shreveport since I could transfer and we could live at the farm and not have a rent everymonth since it's family owned.

Since 2000 I've been secretly wanting a 4x4. Being in the South in the middle of hunting land, it's hard to find a good used one that's not ragged completely out. So I just keep looking. Everytime I found one that was right, I either didnt have the money or something would come up. I figured it was just fate working to keep me from getting into something that would end up sucking. So it just never panned out. Then with life moving along, priorities changed.

So, early in '06 I get married and am living back in Shreveport. SuperCab 250 was parked in barn because it needs some work. Work I don't know how to do. Although, I should have just did it. We bought a house further out than the farm so we could have a place of our own and not have live on my dads farm. We got out here and everytime we need a truck for something, I have to get with my dad and arrange to use his. This is a p.i.t.a. since they live about an hour from us. We decided that we were going to fix the SuperCab. Then (seriously) 2 days after discussing this, wife hits a deer in her Camry. So it was in the shop for repair. I put her in the Cougar so she can get to work and school. 4 days later, she calls and wakes me up to tell me that my Cougar is in front of her job on fire. She drove it to work with no problems. Everything acting right. Goes in and 1 hour later, looks out and it's smoking. By the time the fire department got there, it was too late. Everything from the dash forward was burnt to the ground. I did not have full coverage. So we were totally out. She has full coverage on her Camry so insurance got her a rental. I have a company truck it really wasnt a pressing issue for me to have a car. Then I figure out since I'm starting college next week, I cant drive my company truck there. I can get by doing some stuff in it, but not that. So we start looking for something. Anything. Getting the SuperCab fixed was going to cost more money than we had put back. She comes in one day and says: "Did you see that giant bronco up on Hwy 3?" I said I had. I told her I had actually stopped and crawled under to look at stuff. She asks how much they want for it, I tell her 3K. She says, well it's 4wd which you've wanted for a long time and we need some kind of a truck do haul stuff with. Why dont you call them to drive it around. I did. 4 days later, I was driving it home.

So that solves my no vehicle problem. It serves my God I want a 4x4 itch. Wife LOVES it. She even has started scheduling long weekends for us to go camping and romp in the mud with it. Yes, I do have a killer wife. Yesterday, she came in from work and was just standing in the yard looking at it. I go out and ask her whats wrong. She says: "Nothing, I'm just thinking about how kool this thing is".

So, that's how I ended up with the Bronco.

So far, I've been pretty easy on it because I don't want to break anything yet. And I don't have a winch on it. Yet.

Since it's a Ford it's not strange for me to look at stuff on. Being raised in a Ford truck I know a good bit about them, so that helps. I had a GMC truck a few years back and it was trying to read a foreign language when I had to do anything to it. I hated it and ended up giving it to my dad.

So, that's my complete story.

 

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Cool story, your wife sounds awesome, But why on earth would you swap in a 351m on purpose? I have alot of experience with them and they are crap. Anyone says any different I don't care I have a few and worked on even more. Many in great shape and they are all crap. The only good thing about them is you can bolt a 460 to the bellhousing after tossing the ****. All those trucks dont you have a 460 you can bless the bronco with?

 

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sounds good, wife sounds cool as anything too. let us know of any projects you will be doing on it and the progress. and i don't know much about why a 351M would **** but yardape USUALLY knows what he's talking about.

 
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YardApe. I have a 351M. That's really the only reason. I have a 400 and a 460 too. The SuperCab has the 460 and I'd like to keep it in there. The truck the 400 is in is a dog, but the engine runs good. It's mounted to a manual shift trans. I don't know enough about this stuff to know if I could take that 400 and make it mount to an automatic trans. I know lots of people prefer a manual, I don't. I grew up on sticks and have come to hate them.

I'd honestly rather use the 400 in the Bronco, but again, I've not looked far enough ahead yet to know if it's possible *uh rather, easily possible* to mount the 400 to a c-6 or not. And then there is the whole issue of I just don't know enough about transmissions and transfer cases to know really what I'm doing.

So: will a transfer case mount to any c-6? Will a 400 that's currently on a stick mount up to a c-6 or the AOD thats in the Bronco now?

I'm trying to use stuff that I have and not have to go out and buy a bunch of things. The reason for this is because my dad won't get rid of anything. He'll just keep it and it'll go to waste. We've been toting the f-350 around since it caught fire in 1981. It's been fixed God knows how many times and my brother keeps breaking it. Now that he's finally moved off, the engine is shot, but dad just won't let go of it. I bought the truck with the 351M in it to swap that engine into the 350. But then dad tells me that he doesnt want to drive it so why fix it.

We've had a 351M in the 1 ton before and had real good luck with it. Once, I got the holley carb off of it that is. Then my brother started driving it all the time and it started scewing up all the time. Then he in the field doing donuts with it (like a *******) and it backfired and that was it. He had some drunk friend of his come out and get into the engine. Now, the engine is in pieces and stuff is missing. So I'm not going to try and fix that. I'd rather just swap in another engine. Actually, I'd rather take the rearend off of it and put it on the SuperCab and get a good flatbed for the SuperCab.

Anyway, would you recommend a 400? Or would it be better to just hold out and find me another 460 somewhere?

 

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the 400 should be albe to fit on a C6. i don't know what you paln on doing with your Bronco, but my personal favorite engine is the 300 but of course, i don't need to be screamin'g everywhere i drive so that is why i don't prefer the gas guzzling engines.

 

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The 400 is the same as a 351m. The 351m is a modified 400. I have never owned a 400 but some people like them, most dont. They have the gas mileage of a 460 and the power of a 302. The 351m has got to be the worst V8 Ford ever built. Its the smog engine to replace the real power. The 351m needs a big block bellhousing, therefore it wont bolt up to the same tranny as your 302. It will bolt up to a C-6 as long as its not a small block version of the C-6, They made both. The only thing you would have to do to change from manual to auto for your 400 would be to get an automatic flexplate, the flywheel wont work, and in the end of the crankshaft there is a stabilizer bushing that has to be removed. The front snub of the torque convertor has to sit in there. You will need a C-6 from a 4x4 because the tailshafts are different, you might be able to convert it but it usually means you have to rip the tranny apart. And then you need the conversion parts. In all honesty I would have to recommend you not to bother with the swap, you will be no farther ahead and it would be alot of work, if you are thinking maybe the 302 just doesnt have enough power, try regearing the diffs. You would be way farther ahead by doing that then an engine swap.

 

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Oh sorry I might be mistaken on the WORST V-8 Ford made. The 255 sucked too.

 
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YardApe. Thanks for advice. I'm not really all that worried about lack of power currently as it seems to have plenty of "get up" as far as I can tell. I mean, it won't leave a red light quite like the Cougar (with 4.6L) would, but I don't see where it should or where I would need it too... The main reason why I've considered fixing up the 351M or the 400 is strictly due to the fact that if something terrible were to happen to my engine, I think I could swap another engine in quicker than I can crap out the money to have my current engine repaired. I frequent the drag races here and pretty much realize that under normal circumstances, there is no replacement for displacement. If I were strictly looking for more power, I would take a 460 and dump some money into and get the real deal.

Speaking of more power, what's your take on everyone stroking 302's out to 347's and such? I know that getting a high horsepower doesnt necessarily mean anything when torque is really what you're after.

One other thing. You mentioned about re-gearing the axles. I was thinking about that today. How can I tell what my ratios are? I have to assume they are stock, due to the fact that the "melons" do not appear to have been violated.

I currently have a copy of "Off Road Adventures" in my hand from 05-05. In the "tech" letters area, the "tech" suggests that running 35" tires on 3.55 gears is a bad thing as far as increase gas usage and losing power. He suggests using 31" Tires for that gearing. And using 35" needing 4.56's. He listed some larger sizes and the ratios he suggests. The "tech" suggests that having 35" tires on 3.55 gears will make the Bronco "grunt at stoplights like an old man climbing out of an easy chair". That makes me wonder what I may have because I don't have that issue on mine. I take off at normal rpms and seem to still run up on people if I'm not carefull about it. I'm a very aggressive driver in traffic, but I feel as though I'm easier taking off in the Bronco (since it's new to me) than I ever was in the Cougar. So I guess my question would be is this "magazine tech" wrong, misguided, or do I perhaps have big gears? Which leads me back to "how can I tell"?

Thanks for all your help here. Next time in Alberta, the Molson is on me.

 

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No he sounds like he preaches the same as me. With 35's you definately want 4.56 gears, not saying yours is bad or anything, but for optimal performance a set of 4.56 gears would be what you want. I would have to say if your truck has some gitty up to it, it would be safe to say that your gears probably arent stock. I have 33's on mine and it drives me crazy with its lack of power, 35's are even worse. If your happy with it then thats just great. One quick way to tell if diff has been opened, not a 100% tell all but good a idea, have a look at the mating surface between the pumkin and the housing, is there visable silicone instead of the proper gasket, most people re-install the pumpkin and do not bother with a gasket, another idea, does it still have the ID tag mounted to one of the pumpkin bolts? Those would be a guarantee but might help you see if it has been opened before. To tell the gear ratio jack up the rear end, put the T-Case in neutral. mark a spot on the driveshaft, mark a spot on one tire. Rotate the tire and count how many times the driveshaft turns for one rotation of the tire. It is hard to get an exact number but will tell you if its stock or not. If it goes around 3.5 for one rotation then you have 3.50's. I have to read back to see what year you have again but off the top of my head I think you said early 80's? That should have a 9inch rear end if so. The 9 inch usually had 3.50, the 8.8's usually had 3.55's

 

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No he sounds like he preaches the same as me. With 35's you definately want 4.56 gears, not saying yours is bad or anything, but for optimal performance a set of 4.56 gears would be what you want. I would have to say if your truck has some gitty up to it, it would be safe to say that your gears probably arent stock. I have 33's on mine and it drives me crazy with its lack of power, 35's are even worse. If your happy with it then thats just great. One quick way to tell if diff has been opened, not a 100% tell all but good a idea, have a look at the mating surface between the pumkin and the housing, is there visable silicone instead of the proper gasket, most people re-install the pumpkin and do not bother with a gasket, another idea, does it still have the ID tag mounted to one of the pumpkin bolts? Those would be a guarantee but might help you see if it has been opened before. To tell the gear ratio jack up the rear end, put the T-Case in neutral. mark a spot on the driveshaft, mark a spot on one tire. Rotate the tire and count how many times the driveshaft turns for one rotation of the tire. It is hard to get an exact number but will tell you if its stock or not. If it goes around 3.5 for one rotation then you have 3.50's. I have to read back to see what year you have again but off the top of my head I think you said early 80's? That should have a 9inch rear end if so. The 9 inch usually had 3.50, the 8.8's usually had 3.55's
Okay yep got it, '86

 

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Think of it as a bicycle. Put it in the highest gear you have and try and ride it, lower the gears and it gets easier to pedal. Well your engine is the one pedalling. But if you try and go too fast you will be pedalling like crazy and not really going anywhere. Get it?

 
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Thanks fellas... Hopefully I'll get done hauling cows saturday before the rain starts and I can get a chance to do the "spin the driveshaft thing" and see what happens... I guess I was just mainly concerned about fouling something up more than anything else. Gas milage is not real high on my priority list. The Cougar getting 24 or so on the hwy was the best mpg I've ever gotten out of any vehicle. haha.

Speaking of gearing and tires.. I saw some Cooper 31" tires on an F-150 today at a red light. I got out (yeah, I do that kind of thing) and asked the guy if it would be ok for me to have a quick look at them. He said fine. So I did. I hate them. They're too small! I like a Cooper mud tire, but that 31" business is just too small for me. I was actually thinking of dropping down to that size due to my bad back and all, but after seeing that today, I don't think so. I may just have to stay with 35"-s.

I took a couple of photos of my Bronco today, I'm going to see if I can upload them so y'all can see my Redneck-RollsRoyce.

Thanks again fellas. I'm sure I'll be pestering y'all about something in the near future. I hope I don't ask too many ?'s.

 

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yardape, is it better to have higher gears as you go biger with tires then? i have 33's should i be regearing? and how do I do it? is that just pulling the dif gears out and switching them??

 

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Higher Numerically, But they are actually called lower gears. On 33's I'd just leave it. Maybe stuff some 4.10's in there, that will help power by a whole lot. The front you can get out of almost any F250. Just make sure its a Dana 44. They usually came with 4.10's. If you plan on going with 35's or bigger then you should consider having lower gears put in. I wouldnt recommend you putting them in yourself, theres a few critical measurements that need to be made and they require special tools. 35's look right at home on a Bronco, thats the size I'd would suggest for you to get. If so then consider 4.56 gears. And lockers and .......................................................................................................................... Well theres no end to it, so I will shut up...

 

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