throttle body spacers

[Broncobill78]

( my girlfriend is the only one with a valid lisence at the moment)

Yeah, that whole 90 day thing sucks doesn't it ? Truth be told that's what got me into Law Enforcement. Long story but the short version isthat coming home one day from dispatching 11-7 I passed the Chief of a neighboring town in my 94 GT (shoulda KNOWN that a Dodge Diplomat w/60's and dual exhaust was a big red flag) and got a ticket nobody could fix. Walked for the 90 days and during that time decided that if you can't beat' em......................Everything else kind went it's own way after that but it's funny how these things come to be.

 

[Seabronc]

I just wanna add my two cents regarding k&n filters. I am new here and this is my first bronco, having more expirience with "vortec chevy" motors. I did buy the k&n intake, mass air sensor, computer tuner, shorty headers and high flow exhaust from headers back on a 97 Z71. That was a far cry difference from stock. I also went from 14 mpg anywhere to over 18 mpg on highway at 75 mph with cruise set. I will agree that just a k&n filter is completly useless, but have been sold on whole intake and filter idea. The stock intake on most vehicles is designed to make engine quieter therefore restricting airflow. However my entire comment regarding the intake makes sense because I went and changed all peramiters of engine air in and out. However you guys will be happy to know (as most of you are die hard ford guys) that chevy died a tragic transmission loss. I took it to a shop that upcharged the sale so much I gave him the title to the truck cause I didnt have funds. The original cost was 900 by time i went to pick it up it was 2800. Blah Blah I lost truck. Oh well life goes on.

Yah i think you noticed that both Dave and I kept out comments around a stock engine. I'll take you to task on the stock intake restricting the air intake. As you can see, I have a Holley 4BBl on my truck and it includes the stock intake air filter, (for more than one reason), but it is capable of supplying more air than the Holley can **** with Wide Open Throttle. Even the big Mustang carbed engines, that can gulp much more than my engine can, only modified the same intake system by adding a second snorkel. The Air intake system wasn't designed for quiet running as much as it was for function, an issue that is lost to most people anxious to rip off all the vacuum lines :-" .

Sorry to hear about your Chevy, I for one like cars and trucks for the fact that, "they are what they are" / . I don't care what brand name is on it, they all have their good ones and and they all have their crap ones. In fact I despise the Ford company for numerous reasons but they also have some vehicles I love, good old ROSIE, (my trucks name), for one.

Good luck,

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[jsomedaysoon]

yea my truck is completely stock as far as i know besides the 33's i put on. so the spacer deal, or the intake kit that i was thinking about probably wouldnt have done much good. the truck was never planned to be a daily driver so i'll just deal with the foul looks and the occasional finger driving between the house and the beach haha. and honestly i think its getting faster every time my girlfriend drives it. it sat for a good three years so i think it just needed some time to work out the kinks and let everything loosen up. as for the chevy vs ford deal i'm ******** ford trucks but as far as cars go i think i'm more of a chevy fan. my monte carlo has not let me down in the four years i've owned it. and trust me i'm knocking on wood right now because i only have three more payments and it will be paid off wich as we all know is when catastrophic things happen.

 

[89eddie89]

Ok so I didnt read all the thread but will someone tell me when you put throttle body spacers on, does it make a noticable difference??

 

[jsomedaysoon]

haha i think i am qualified to answer this one now. from what i've learned throttle body spacers are a waist of money on any aplication. cold air induction however is controvercial. some guys say they are a waist of money and some guys say they are good only if you upgrade everything like exhaust and gas flow.

 

[Redneck86]

A K&N intake will help with power, im not saying it because i blew money on one either, me and my friends never bought the K&N "cold air kit" because all we did was buy the K&N cone filter and some 3" tube kits from the parts house and made our own(way cheaper too the "kits" a rip off) and they do help out you can feel a differance, and it works even better with better exhaust.

The drawback is the filter is exposed and off road it can get wet and **** in water plus it get dirty really fast. And yes a K&N can get so dirty you cant clean it

 

[Broncobill78]

Ok so I didnt read all the thread but will someone tell me when you put throttle body spacers on, does it make a noticable difference??

That's easy. The short answer is *you don't*. The longer answer is *well, sometimes if you're doing a TBI swap and using a carb intake you have to*. When in doubt, refer back to the short answer.

 

[Broncobill78]

A K&N intake will help

Ahh, K&N's are just a rip-off of the old *original* oil-bath air filters. How many guys here remember THOSE ???????? Or am I making us sound too old ?

 

[89eddie89]

I was planning on replacing my stock intake with a k&n.

How much would I be looking at to buy one of em??

 

[Broncobill78]

I seem to recall them running in the $35-$50 range. I honestly don't have too much of an issue with the filter itself. Fact is it flows more air than a stock filter does (but to be honest that's really of negligable value, the stock setup already provides more air then the engine will ever use). To ME the advantage of the K&N is that it usues an aerosol oil and cotten element. Compared to the stock type paper elements this setup will trap a LOT more contaminants. It's similar to the old style oil-bath elements I recently mentioned. I hate that so much of their marketing is centered around hype & bull$hit but I DO prefer an oiled cotten element over a dry paper one. Add to that the fact that you can wash & re-oil the K&N so you essentially never have to buy another one. In my book the filtering capacity of an oiled filter and the reusability are what make it worth having. The airflow claims may be valid but so what, the engine can only use so much air and doubling or tripling CFM's that if flows does NOTHING to help the engine, it only gives the marketing team bigger numbers to use.

Like I said earlier, gicven my choice I'd prefer and old-school oil bath filter. Problem is you just can't find 'em anymore but for my money you just can't beat the factory oil bath setups with ANYTHING currently available from the aftermarket. If someone would offer the old setups as a "new & improved" system I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I look when I go to the boneyards but finding early 70's F-trucks is about as easy as finding a sharks's tooth, it just doesn't happen very often. You wouldn't *believe* how many of them I've seen on boneyard trucks but some clueless clown ruined it by ripping it off to get at the carb or intake. Finding a Boss 429 that everyone else missed would be easier.

 

[89eddie89]

O...

Well the pipe on my stock intake has a few holes so I was just gonna plan on replacing the whole thing with a k&n...

 

[Redneck86]

Dont get the whole kit man, itsa rip off, order the cone filter and get some plastic tube from the parts house and make your own, you can even route it to a better place if you want, its alot cheaper and that how me and my friends alway did it

 

[BB33's]

Well I have read this whole thread and I have saved up my two cents. Like mentioned before the stock intake system is designed to flow more than your stock engine will ever need. Adding a K&N does in fact flow more cfm of air but flows it to a motor that is already being supplied with an abundance of air. I have run K&N filters on all of my trucks and for one reason only. When I go off roading to the desert or on my buddies land in Livermore I want to make sure I have a filter that will trap the most dust particles as possible so that I don't harm my motor. As far as throttle body spacers it's the same thing as the filter all it does is contribute to the fact that you are already running a system that is designed to be more efficient than the vehicle needs. As far as wheter I feel a gain in power from the filter kits I going to say no. I think it is more in your head than anything. Maybe a filter kit that is combined with a free flowing exhaust and a more powerful upgrade like a chip then yeah, maybe workin together you get something out of the kit to warrant the cash. my hand hurts :wacko:

 

[2NDTOUR89]

OK OK, I have been watching this for a while and want to finally add my 2c. I have a tb spacer and a "ghetto fab" cold air kit with a K&N filter on my 89 5.8. Have I noticed an increase in how much power or mileage mine gets, probably not however I do know that coupled with the other mods I have, it runs pretty freakin awesome. I have full MSD ignition including wires, cap, rotor, coil and 6A controller, 3" exhaust with Flowmaster muffler and one of the cats cut off. This with my own fabbed intake kit and tb spacer, it runs better and stronger than my buddies 91 that has 60k less miles on it but has same size tires, lift etc. It is WAY faster and WAY more responsive than it was in stock form (granted, my right foot got WAY heavier when I did these upgrades) and that is where I saw most of my increase, in my head.... Now when it comes to buying a cold air for one of these, I would say NO, MAKE YOUR OWN. You can do it for about $40.00 instead of the $240 it would take to order it. TB spacer worth it??? I dont think so, but hey, it was only $35 and worth a try. Ignition worth it?? I say totally. My ride runs smoother and I have the timing advanced about as far as I can get it to squeeze every bit of performance out of it I can and the only way I could do this is with upgraded ignition. Exhaust worth it, OH YEAH, it was totally worth it, everything combined I do believe it is about as much I can get out of this ride without building a motor. I believe that my upgrades worked but I have no dyno numbers to prove it and personally I think that it would take a long time to pay back the investment if you are trying to get tons of mileage out of these types of items but then again, my ride is currently getting 14.5 in town running 33's and a lead gas pedal...