No power to little wire at solenoid on fenderwall

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1993 EB 5.0.

Getting no power to little wire at solenoid, thought it was a bad solenoid, so replaced it. Then found not getting power to the little wire.

Swapped relays around and that didnt change anything. How hard is this wire to track down?

Or should I just put a push button in and bypass it.

Thanks

JW

 

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The wire should be coded. You might get a wiring diagram from mieks5 or seabronc, but as far as I know it comes from the ignition switch, through the (NSS) Manual Lever Position Switch, and then to the starter relay on the fender.

Did you try holdiing your shift lever higher into park? if so..., and that worked then look at the adjustment for the MSLPS.

 

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yo,

Thanks Joe; here it is, a simple wiring diagram in 92-96

Red/Lt Blue to starter relay from ign sw via MLPS

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and more detailed from ign sw thru MLPS (called the PARK/NEUTRAL POSITION SWITCH in this diagram) and to relay;

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by Steve83 (Steve, That dirty old truck) at SuperMotors.net

Here are the usual checks aside from what my buddy, Joe and GF'sBronco advised;

No Start Troubleshooting; "...

You can iggie this paragraph since you are aware of this wire and prob have inspected it; First thing to check is wiring. Between the large posts of your starter relay on inner fender, passenger side should be a smaller post with a wire attached. This is the wire from your ignition switch through the Park/Neutral Safety Switch (NSS)/Manual Lever Position Sensor (MLPS), Or clutch safety switch on a manual trans, or NSS/MLPS with an AOD/E4OD, to the starter relay and the on to the starter solenoid (if equipped) and starter. Check this wire for cracks, open insulation, or anything that could possibly cause an open circuit.

Next, check your upper ignition actuator. Find the ignition rod (on top of the column, running from the steering wheel down to the ignition switch at the base of the column) and make sure it's moving back and forth when you turn the key, through all positions. If it is, your upper actuator is probably not the problem.

Lastly, check your ignition switch (again, at the base of the column). Manually push the switch back and forth through the different positions. Push it all the way forward (or down) and see if it will engage the starter. If it does, then your ignition rod is probably bent, which can be remedied quite easily. & If it's an auto, try starting in neutral or while pulling up on the lever while it's in park. If that works, look to the Park/NSS/MLPS. If it's a stick, check the clutch switch. You could try jumping from hot to the small terminal on the starter relay to test it's operation. Sometimes new ones are bad out of the box.

If it won't turn over when jumped to the small terminal, you'll know that it's a starter relay issue (Bad part, bad ground or a bad starter. Check to see if da relay is tight to inner fender with no corrosion because the relay's body is ground path via inner fender).

If it does turns over jumped to the small terminal, then you'll be looking for something in the small circuit that includes the ignition switch & the park/neutral safety switch (NSS/MLPS) Or clutch safety switch. There should be 12v running from the ignition switch, thru the NSS/MLPS, to the small terminal on the starter relay. Disconnect the small wire to the starter relay (So it doesn't start by surprise, I'd pull the coil wire too). With someone holding the key in the start position, you should be able to read 12v between any point on that small circuit & ground. When you find where you lose 12v, then you'll know where the issue is...";

MIESK5 EDIT; changed a few terms;

Do you hear the Fuel Pump running?

MIESK5 NOTE; from Ford EVTM; The Control Module (PCM) runs the pump{s} for one second when it receives an ignition- on signal. It also runs the pumps as long as it receives a PIP signal from the Hall-effect devices, it continues pump operation even after the key is released from START. If the PIP signals fall below 120RPM, the control module cuts off the signal to the fuel pump relay or the integrated relay control module. The pump will also run when the terminals of the fuel pump test connector are jumped. the Control module signals the pump when it receives a CRANK signal, and when the Control module gets PIP signals that the engine is running. the pump does not run if the PIP indicates the engine is not running even with ignition ON {except for that first one second}.

Source: by BigUgly88EB and ElKabong (Ken, El Kabong)

 
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Sorry this is an Automatic trans.

Thanks so much.

I tried it in neutral several times before. However I never tried holding up in park, and it worked.

It fired right up when holding shifter up past park and I have gone out several time and now it fires right up without touching the gear shift.

I guess I might have to unplug the MLPS and clean the connections and put some electric grease on it.

Thanks for your help.

 

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Good Job!

MIesk5, you are a wealth of information!

I'm glad that you are willing to share. You help us to keep these old trucks on the road. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

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