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I'm back, did y'all miss me? Probably not anyway getting ready so do some frt end stuff and maybe the rear end here are 3 questions

Speedo Replacment - see image where do you get a replacement?  - Junk yard only it seems like

Proportitioning Valve - auto parts says no - Jeff's only shows to 86?

Can you put a regular diff non 4-wheel Ina 8.8 temporarily - I would think it would work for a stop gap

Are the coil springs a different length on a quad shock -

Thanks,
Richard

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Yo Richard,

Yes, missed you and your Bronco!

BTW, you just achieved the Post Count Century Mark!!!!

No prize though, but some answers.

Sorry, no way I can post pictures nor highlight, etc., I lost the capability here awhile ago, but I have the urls shown here for most & asterisks (***) for most significant words or phrases.

Yes get a yard PSOM.

For a YARD SEARCH on-line, I use;

http://www.hollanderparts.com/

A yard that uses Hollander Interchange can search other yards and have it shipped

Can select certain parts

Has Vehicle Pics! They show about 3 - 5 pics for some vehicles

Here is one!!!; $59.97; Ship for $10.00 Excellent Condition (Grade A); *** Mileage 196,000 ***;

B & R Auto Wrecking PORT Corvallis, OR

Buy or View Details

http://images.hollandersolutions.com/ADA/COL/RP4/EJR/O.jpg

.

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or

http://www.copartfinder.com/finder/searchMake.do

Has Vehicle Pics! They show about 4 - 5 pics per vehicle incl. interior/dash, back seat, front & rear and engine bay.

Can NOT Select certain parts

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http://www.car-parts.com/

Can select certain parts

Has Some Vehicle Pics! They show about 4 - 8 pics per vehicle incl. interior/dash, back seat, front & rear and engine bay

...

http://www.picknpull.com

This is a Company name w/yard locations in various states

Can NOT Select certain parts

http://row52.com/Search

Can NOT Select certain parts

Has Vehicle Pics AND Want a Part? It's Easy...

1. You create a Parts Wanted Listing.

2. Parts Pullers respond with offers.

3. You pick the best one.

A Parts Puller gets the parts you need.

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for obsolete parts by Ford long version pn:

http://www.partsvoice.com/

http://www.rearcounter.com

http://www.greensalescompany.com

&

https://consumerlink.oeconnection.com/91554453363118850 (suggested by JScatt!)

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Your odometer looks strange because of LCD Delamination, as happens to some rear view Electrochromatic mirrors. The *** *** instrument cluster especially PSOM requires special handling to avoid damaging internal components. The cluster *** MUST be kept FACE UP or in the in-vehicle position. *** Leaving the cluster face down may result in a loss of dampening fluid used in the gauges. The lost fluid could stain the cluster face or result in excessive pointer waver..."; in a 96 from 1996 F-150, F-250, F-350, Bronco, F-Super Duty Motorhome Chassis Workshop Manual

Source: by Ford

When I thought my PSOM was bad I shipped it to DNA SPEEDOMETER, but an nasty lady at the UPS store tossed my Well-Wrapped and labeled, "THIS SIDE UP, FRAGILE" shipping box into the a hamper despite my request to handle it as described. I contacted the stores owner, he came over in 10 minutes, saw the box laying at bottom of hamper and relieved the woman permanently. He shipped it for free. *** DNA speedometer folks said the odometer section was stained upon receipt, the same as hownyour odometer apears. However, it has not worsened to date. ***

anyone needing PROGRAMMABLE SPEEDOMETER/ODOMETER (PSOM) or other repairs check out DNA Speedometers; Tampa, FL 33614

http://dnaspeedometers.com

Their PSOM repair prices are about $200.00 lower than Ford (using the Electronic Odometer Exchange Center) and a few other repair places.

They do:

Odometer reset w/ Validation; Digital/Analog Repairs

Odometer Mileage Setting Mechanical Speedometers

***!Dark or Partial LCDs Electronic Speedometers ***

VDO Pixel Repair - BMW, Benz

Rebuild Speedometers;

Analog & Digital Odometers

Speedometer Replacement

Great Customer Service!

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Master Cylinder Proportioning Valve was renamed Master Cylinder Fluid Control Valve in later years; around 1992 I think.

The brake master cylinder fluid control valve (2C161) regulates the hydraulic pressure in the rear brake system. It is located on the brake master cylinder (2140) and is screwed into the rearmost outlet port. When the brake pedal (2455) is applied, the full brake fluid pressure passes through the brake master cylinder fluid control valve to the rear brake system until the valve's split point is reached. Above its split point, the brake master cylinder fluid control valve begins to reduce the hydraulic pressure to the rear brakes, creating a balanced braking condition between the front and rear wheels (1007) to minimize rear wheel lockup during hard braking.

In case of the front brake system malfunction, the brake master cylinder fluid control valve has a bypass feature which allows full hydraulic pressure to the rear brake system.

http://www.diesel-dave.com/vehic/manual/stj/images/h5609f.gif

http://www.thedieselstop.com/faq/9497faq/maint/96fman/images/h9908a.gif

Ford price is 2C161

Master Cylinder Control Valve $69.75

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=1993&m=Ford&mo=Bronco#Search

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You can place a 92 to 96 differential in as long as it has the VSS SENSOR & Tone Ring (inside the diff) for PSOM, PCM, E4OD, & Cruise Control if equipped; with any ratio if you do Not use 4x4. Or ratio is the Same for when you use 4x4.

"...Ford typically builds 4WD trucks with a slightly faster/numerically lower front gear ratio than the rear so that off-road steering is enhanced. So a truck built with 3.55 rear gears will have 3.54 front; 3.08 rear - 3.07 front; 4.11 rear - 4.10 front, etc..." Following was in my MS WORD Notes and the source, Randy's Ring & Pinion has removed it from their current web site; The gear ratio in the front of a four wheel drive has to be different from the front so the front wheels will pull more. There have been many different ratio combinations used in four-wheel drive vehicles, but not so that the front will pull more. Gear manufactures use different ratios for many different reasons. Some of those reasons are: strength, gear life, noise (or lack of it), geometric constraints, or simply because of the tooling they have available. I have seen Ford use a 3.50 ratio in the rear with a 3.54 in the front, or a 4.11 in the rear with a 4.09 in the front. As long as the front and rear ratios are within 1%, the vehicle works just fine on the road, and can even be as different as 2% for off-road use with no side effects. point difference in ratio is equal to 1%. To find the percentage difference in ratios it is necessary to divide, not subtract. In order to find the difference, divide one ratio by the other and look at the numbers to the right of the decimal point to see how far they vary from 1.00. For example: 3.54 ÷ 3.50 = 1.01, or 1%, not 4% different. And likewise 4.11 ÷ 4.09 = 1.005, or only a 1/2% difference. These differences are about the same as a 1/3" variation in front to rear tire height, which probably happens more often than we realize. A difference in the ratio will damage the transfer case. Any extreme difference in front and rear ratios or front and rear tire height will put undue force on the drive train. However, any difference will put strain on all parts of the drivetrain. The forces generated from the difference have to travel through the axle assemblies and the driveshafts to get to the transfer case. These excessive forces can just as easily break a front u-joint or rear spider gear as well as parts in the transfer case. by me @

http://broncozone.com/topic/21803-new-member/?gopid=113959&do=findComment&comment=113959

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To the best of my knowledge the front springs are the same for 2 or 1 shock per side. As built, there were at least 4 spring "sizes"; type c, g, v or u installed.

Suspension Spring Codes in a 96 by Ford;

http://www.diesel-dave.com/vehic/manual/stj/stj01019.htm

See your Door Jamb Label;

For instance, see this pic in a 93 5.8 & E4OD by broncofocused (Super Bronco) at

door-jamb-sticker.jpg

.

my 96 xl w/E4)D and 5.0 has Code D; Ford pn F4TA-5560-DB

Alvin in AZ wrote; (click and see 90 coil pics there by 1990bronc, as well as my info, etc.)

Front spring codes Bronco:

B = E0TA-5310-BC = ~.675"wire (was on my '91 Edwina Bauer)

C = E0TA-5310-CC = ?"

G = E0TA-5310-GC = ?"

U = E0TA-5310-UC = ?"

V = E0TA-5310-VB = ?"

 
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As always Sir you are a information master! My plan as already came to a grinding stop! Coil springs on truck are 7 coil, ones I bought 11. Taller and heavier, I had been looking on Rock Auto at work on some other stuff and they list a disclaimer on the springs "fits except for the quad shock on every set they sold. But I do not see any notes at Jeff's. I'll go check the door sticker if there? Truck was originally 302, I wonder if there they used one of the other part numbers you mentioned in the 5.8 models since that's what's in her now? I'll research it, but I can't even get the bottom coil bracket nut off as it is METRIC!!!!!!!!! My headlights are adjusted all the way up and on high and I can bearly see so I'll have to regroup after the holidays.

I own just enough metric to rebuild a ******'s engine which I finally had to buy in 92, 1/2 impacts and a smaller set of wrenches.

The speedo/miles just started that a while back, I've never had it out, but that is good info as is it all! So it looks like I won't have to ride to church in the morning in 29 to 32 degrees whatever they said? I had her over far enough to get the bike out if I had an issue.

I turned a friend on at work to the site, he has a 96? Was gonna sell it. But I guess changed his mind, 4" lift but stock tires, not sure of the engine?

Yea Me on making 100, I didn't even catch that when I posted yesterday, I was on my way out the door to work

Thanks again Al/miesk5

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Yo Richard,

DSO is District, Special Order

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/1008290/fullsize/bronco-dso-codes.jpgcheck with local dealer parts for the Ford part number used to build your Bronco, have VIN ready.

Use part number in a Google search for lower price eso. @ Amazon and Rock Auto

I have no furthdr information on the springs. Never knew aftermarket doesnt carry quad shocks springs.

I also checked:

Moog @ http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/products/ford_bronco_4wd_1993

Nothing listed for quad

http://www.huskyspring.com/catalog/smtpquickcatalog.aspx?yearCode=1993&yearText=1993&makeCode=0020&makeText=FORD&modelCode=0507&modelText=BRONCO

Nothing listed for quad

Try calling them Monday. They may have a source and info.

 
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I couldn't figure out where you were getting the DSO, duh right above the springs, just my luck!

I thought that was standard for a Bronco, had no problem with getting shocks. Thanks I check into it, I went ahead and rode yesterday, since I had parking lot duty anyway. 32/33 temp with 30 mph winds, not the norm here in S.Texas

 
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Update - So I work for a fleet management company, today a vendor calls in a ticket and mentions he worked for Ford for 10-15 years so I mention the quad shock debockle. He said originally the quad shock was available only on Broncos, that it was called the Snow Fighter Option or something like that? And it was for snow plows, said it wasn't until later that they marketed it more as a off road option. So may or may not be true, however the guy at work has the same quad, but his is lifted so no issue, all new parts.

But he gets to looking and finds these on Amazon, 3 reviews mention they had the quad set up and the springs worked. One even mentions a snow plow so who knows? Anyway had my brother order then since he has prime and took Thursday off to do the frt and rear, brakes, radius bushings and springs, I hope! Coming USPS so I they may not show until 7 or 8 Thursday, but I ll have her apart. Worst case I put the old springs back in, but I'll have the new bushing in, my headlight shines about 6 to 8' out in front of the truck now so I gotta try! Anyone know if Rancho 5000 are a lifetime warranty? Need to go look, just in case.image.jpeg

 
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yo Richard,

"Rancho® RS5000™ shocks are covered by a Limited Lifetime Warranty."

http://www.gorancho.com/products/shock-absorbers/rs5000-shock-absorber

"LIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY (limited to qualifying Rancho® products only)*

Tenneco warrants qualifying Rancho® products against defects in materials or workmanship (except finish) when used under normal operating conditions for as long as the products are installed on, and the original purchaser owns, the original vehicle on which they were installed.

LIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY QUALIFYING PRODUCTS:

Rancho® quickLIFT™

Rancho® RS9000XL™ Shock Absorbers

Rancho® RS7000MT™ Monotube Shock Absorbers

Rancho® RS5000™ Shock Absorbers

Rancho® RS5000X™ Shock Absorbers

Rancho® Light Truck Suspension Components

To make a claim under this warranty, return the worn-out or defective product with the dated original receipt to the dealer or retailer from whom it was purchased or to a Tenneco dealer for verification and exchange under this warranty."

Read more @

http://www.gorancho.com/warranty-guarantee/

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"lifetime warranty"

I changed from OEM shocks to KYB Gas-a-just on 8 JAN 2002; they were much better than stock over road & bridge expansion joints/strips, RR tracks, etc.

However, within a year they began to badly rust on the tubes, resulting in gaping holes and dirt/grime around the rods; contacted company and they said the rust is Not normal but would not honor a return or offer an adjustment.

I saved the KYB E mails!

Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:36 AM

Subject: K Y B TECHNICAL AND CONSUMER REPORT REQUEST.

Our KYB GAS-A-JUST shocks are rusting quite a lot at the

top they are only 20 months old. Is this covered under your Lifetime Warranty?

Reply; From Troy H @ KYB.

"No.

This can happen due to winter (salt use on the roads)"

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So, I could have battled, but they win; as in the case for most warranties, because I would have had to remove them from the daily driver 96 and deliver them to the company.

And another representative said in a follow-up phone call that I "purchased them from an un-authorized KYB distributor"; but the store WAS an AUTHORIZED KYB Distributor when I bought them. It was a local mom and pop parts store. I lost, they won.

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Springs arrived about 9:30 yesterday, even though I already had the rs out, I really didn't start until after lunch,when I got back from a nearby suspension place. Forgot to order the isolators, owner gave me some used ones off a jeep. But they were too wide to fit inside the spring and twice as thick which would have been ok. You don't really need a compressor for these springs, but I had picked one up in case those Jeep isolators worked. Just reused the broken cracked original.

Took longer to do then I expected, due to various small issues and somehow I misplaced the top rubber and washer to the rs front shock. I still enjoy doing my own work, but really could use a drive on lift, with the slide plates so you can raise it and remove the tires, if your wondering what to get me for Christmas. Oh and a building to put it in. Paying for all that concrete time today!

And I still have all those brake parts to replace, I guess that's Monday's fun

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